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blast off on another episode of hero

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paranormal podcast

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broadcasting from the base at la madre

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mountain just south of area 51 my name

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is ryan the original outlaw of the

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airwaves bringing you an epic episode

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tonight

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remarkable guest today mg stevens and

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myself have kept in touch for some time

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and both have similar views as to the

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types of entities people may be

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experiencing in this reality

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or at least

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an affinity of conversation pertaining

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to figuring out the motives

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the rationale

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etc of these beings are entities

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mg stevens is a fellow podcaster with a

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popular show

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the boogeyman chronicles podcast

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which i have had the good grace of

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connection with and luck to have been

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interviewed with mg stevens on her

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podcast the boogeyman chronicles episode

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5 i believe

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she is an author researcher podcaster

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extraordinaire mg stevens welcome to the

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hero paranormal podcast

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i'm fine uh thanks for inviting me i

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appreciate it it was a it was really an

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honor because um i really enjoyed and a

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lot of people um also enjoyed uh your

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episode on my podcast so when you asked

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me i was like oh my god yeah

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that's awesome heck yes

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and it's you know you have experienced

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high strangeness which is so refreshing

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uh to have someone who has experienced

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something similar

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uh something very real and i don't think

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people know the half of it right

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yeah i mean i've had a lifetime of

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paranormal activity um

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for me it's not like i was you know just

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kind of living this sort of

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normal quiet life and then all of a

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sudden i had an encounter it's been

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going on since i was about two i think

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yeah and would you say these entities

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are something

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that are very real and what is your

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opinion on how these entities interact

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with humans and start from a place

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um probably interact with humans i think

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i think we've strayed a lot from

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indigenous beliefs um

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because as soon as like the christiany

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sort of um colonizing belief came in

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that you know none of this exists and

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it's just god and the devil and there's

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no other you know spirits and that kind

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there's no other entities once we were

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told that i think we really lost sight

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of the fact that we live in

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possibly a very interdimensional world

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and there are a lot of um

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i think you know when we say the veil is

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thin in this particular area or whatnot

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have that have those thin veiled areas

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of paranormal activity and kind of

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strangeness everywhere and i think um

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certain people are just wired to

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see through that veil and so i think it

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i don't know for whatever reason some

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people just attract this kind of thing

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and um so entities you know they can

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you know grandma that passed away you

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know what i mean and sure or angelic you

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know and so it's different for everybody

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i mean i listen like you i'm sure to

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paranormal podcast constantly and it's

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it just runs the gamut you know what i

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mean it just there's um

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i think we live in a world where these

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things do exist and we um are constantly

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told that they're not and the one thing

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like people say oh indigenous people are

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more spiritual and it's like i don't

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think they're more spiritual i just

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think they never have that sort of cut

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that thing where it was like you know

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fantasy no more

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that doesn't exist it doesn't exist so

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sort of things don't exist because an

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indigenous culture they always exist and

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warned or they're always in touch with

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more spiritual i just think that there

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tune and more in touch

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the paranormal and other worldly things

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not so untouched and so i think we have

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panic when it comes to the paranormal

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you know just cannot believe it they're

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like am i crazy and i'm like no you

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really did see this thing you know and

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they kept yeah i did see it or i did

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hear it or i did feel it and

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they they don't have that am i crazy

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they just know like no i saw this thing

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you know so it hits the paranormal and

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internal encounters and you know those

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sorts of things they hit everyone

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i agree a hundred percent and you know

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that magic stolen from you in many

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cultures the floor is yours where do you

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want to get started we can go into maybe

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some of your experiences from a

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paranormal perspective or other things

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you've encountered through the research

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or personal experience ufos or just good

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stories whatever you like

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well i um

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grew up neurodivergent as you know i'm

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autistic and i have adhd

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and i am in the process of writing a

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book about um

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how or why or maybe just starting the

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conversation as to why

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a lot of neurodivergent people tend to

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have more ufo encounters um i talked i

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just interviewed kathleen martin who is

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the niece of betty and barty hill and i

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asked her point blank i said is there a

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link between race uh culture

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people who

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claim to be abducted or experiencers

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are neurodivergent um and my with my

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mother and me included um so i i'm very

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interested in that and i'm very

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interested in um

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lot of uh native indigenous people and

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irish people tend to be more abducted

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um other cultures so that's also

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interesting to me but um but yeah my my

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i always felt weird and different

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growing up and i always

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knew there was something different about

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me and i grew up in a house where

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the paranormal was an everyday thing and

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i didn't have a real sounding board

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even though my mother was a really

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well-known psychic in that area that we

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we really didn't talk about it and

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that's what and people like wait a

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minute your mom was a psychic did you

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didn't really talk about it i said no

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because we really it just it was

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something she did and i just was kind of

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living my life over here playing with

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barbies and you know it was just a thing

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said she was like you were always like

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talking to something

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like creeping her out she was like every

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always hear you babbling to something

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talking with a purpose though it wasn't

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like baby babble it was

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something and responding to it which

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creeps me out um but um i remember as a

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to stand up in my crib and i remember

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i had this very strange encounter when i

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was able i looked up and i saw something

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floating above the crib and i remember

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pointing at it but yet i remember

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in that moment kind of almost being

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me and i remember looking down at me in

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it was so weird i didn't say i have no

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two later um i was easter and i was

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outside and i was very cranky i probably

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needed a nap and um

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i was not having it you know my mom and

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my sister were trying to like hey you

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know like easter eggs and fun and i was

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i was just really cranky and the same

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thing happened i still remember looking

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up and being really terrified by

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something floating but yet i remember

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looking down being the thing floating

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i was so perplexed by this because i

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remembered it like you know but

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demonologist he's a

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well-versed experienced paranormal

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investigator he's been doing this you

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know 50-plus years and he worked with

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edelman ray warren and he worked on many

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he said it could have been a shifting

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um the thing with paul

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and his son ben is that they have

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experienced so much paranormal activity

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out of the the realm of the sort of

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typical you know the typical ufo the

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typical haunting they've had so many

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interesting encounters that they've had

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to kind of come up with their own

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glossary of terms just to kind of just

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and he told me this is his words and the

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multiverse you

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just kind of became two entities or

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whatever and you saw yourself and the

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other

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side saw you and you just kind of you

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know became

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like you know broken up and in a way and

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i still don't really i my brain i can't

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wrap around that but

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um he's he's very smart and i kind of

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listen to what he you know i kind of

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trust what he he you know he experienced

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so much so i really trust what he says

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so um maybe you know hopefully it was

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just something like that i don't know

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because i i

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when i think about that particular those

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particular incidences and i'm like what

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if that happens again you know and i'm

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an adult now and it freaks me out um

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so i get kind of creeped out by that but

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um but yeah those were my two first

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encounters

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i have no idea still i mean i i kind of

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hope that paul knows what he's you know

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talking about when it comes to that um

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but i i you know at the same time i'm

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kind of like what if it happens again so

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those those those two encounters were

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probably

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the ones that really shift me to my core

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because they're not typical like oh i

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saw a ghost or i saw a ufo or something

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it was

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guess being split in some way i i don't

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you know what i mean

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again i don't really know how to put it

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into words other than what paul said so

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um yeah that those were my two and count

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my first two encounters and then i

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remember um

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after that i remember just being very

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ultra sensitive and you know here i am

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i'm i'm young i'm very young i'm a new

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human being on this planet and i'm

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experiencing everything for the first

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time

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and i'm also neurodivergent so i'm

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seeing the world differently than other

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people neurotypicals do you know so i'm

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looking at everything very differently

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and

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all my life i've wondered two things

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is it me am i crazy or

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everyone goes through this right they

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like everyone sees these things they

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feel these things right right like right

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you know and

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and

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you know so many um

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so many times i thought i i i'm probably

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crazy i'm probably crazy but as i got

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older and i started learning about the

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paranormal

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world and the spiritual realm

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it then you know became apparent to me

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it was like oh you're one of these

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people you're you're for less of a

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better word psychic or intuitive or

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what have you you know what i mean but i

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i started to kind of clue in

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as to

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who i was what i was and then it started

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to make a little bit more sense and it

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started to kind of you know what you

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know once you realize you're not crazy

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and it's a thing

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this is a thing people go through um

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it it becomes a little less scary and so

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you know from then on it was just

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seeing things feeling things i was ultra

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ultra sensitive i felt like an exposed

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nerve in some way

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and so i remember wherever i went i

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don't care if it was an office building

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i don't care if it was an old home i

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don't care if it was a new home i don't

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care if it was a plot of land um

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wherever i was

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if there was something there

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again like we talked about earlier

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the thin you know the the thin veil

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sometimes people can

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guess you could call and just just pick

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up on those those sort of areas where

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the the veil is really thinner than in

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some places

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and if there was something there whether

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it would be

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demon ghost

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spirit some you know some sort of

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elements i mean whatever it was i don't

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know but i would always feel um

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feel a presence of something you know if

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someone died or whatever i just knew

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these things and i would you know tell

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my family like oh someone died in that

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house or someone dying on that land or

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you know in my own backyard i remember i

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lived in a very rural part of the south

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and

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when i was there i was in a very new

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part of town this town was so rural we

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didn't even have a grocery store or a

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hospital and i remember playing in the

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backyard and i remember just being

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watched from

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like i had a backyard in and we had a

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canal and then there was a like an

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undeveloped plot of land and it was

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basically just forest and i remember

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being stared at by something

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so

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literally had to go inside it was just

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like there's something out there

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watching me and it's creeping me out

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and i would come inside and play and i

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could feel stuff on the you know the

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property

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um my mother sensed a lot of things on

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that property as well her friends

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because she had a lot of friends

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developing their esp so they would come

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over and they would sense a lot of stuff

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on that property so it was just a

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constant everyday thing i would go in my

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big walk-in closet i'd go in there and

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play and something would be in there

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with me i could feel it

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um at night i couldn't sleep because

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something was there would not let me

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sleep whatever whatever it was i don't

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know it would always uh really kind of

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become more

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um

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i guess active at night

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sure oh yeah yeah that was that was

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terrifying but yeah my my most

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terrifying encounters i think when it

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came to everyday haunting type stuff was

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my

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father's been married six times and

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one of those and so my um

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my first stepmother

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um had a condo in this particular part

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of town and we used to go there

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um on the weekends uh my dad you know

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her her and my dad were married they

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lived there but i would visit on the

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weekends and it was the most terrifying

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place

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i don't know what was there but i do

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know that it didn't like me and it made

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its presence known to me

447
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all the time every single time i went

448
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there

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um

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all weekend long if i spent the week you

451
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know like say a couple of weeks there in

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the summer every day every night this

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thing would just torment me and um

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i still don't know today to this day i

455
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don't know what that was i don't know if

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it was demonic it kind of felt very evil

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but not exactly demonic um but it just

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felt very like it took a lot of pleasure

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and torturing me it just it just loved

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it it was like a kind of like a mean

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older sibling just constantly and and

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unrelenting it would not stop there was

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no rest there was no you know break i

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was just constantly tormented and it was

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a terrifying place to be it was it was

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it was really hard for me because as a

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kid i was really happy to see my dad and

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my stepmom and i was happy to spend time

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with them and away from you know all the

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the craziness of you know the sort of

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this you know the you know going to

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school and all that was a nice little

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escape for me

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but yet i was constantly tormented by

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something i couldn't see

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and so i developed you know

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kind of like

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kind of term is a paranormal ptsd and

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i had to sleep with the lights on and i

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you know could get i had to sleep with

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all the doors open in case i had to run

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out and run into my parents room um

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[Music]

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it was just it was you know really

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terrifying and that's another thing that

486
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i'm very passionate about is getting

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people to talk about their encounters so

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that they can uh find some sort of

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solace um

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you know realizing okay you're not crazy

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you did experience something and yes

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there is such a thing as paranormal ptsd

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i talk to people to this day who you

494
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know have had one encounter two

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encounters a lifetime of encounter it

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doesn't matter um i've talked to

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so many people who still at the age of

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70 something are you know still sleeping

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with the lights on because of what

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they've been through they they have to

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sleep with you know the doors open or

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closed the lights have to be on or they

503
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you know they they can't sleep alone

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they have to have someone in the next

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room or someone in the room with them i

506
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mean it's it's or they have to have like

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a you know the tv on fuzz or something

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00:19:08,230 --> 00:19:05,679
it's it's really um interesting how you

509
00:19:10,549 --> 00:19:08,240
know people want to pooh-pooh paranormal

510
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encounters but this is a real thing

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people will

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you know go through this it it has the

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same effect you know as a say you know a

514
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combat vet or you know someone who has

515
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been through a really terrifying

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encounter

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you know paranormal ptsd is nothing to

518
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lack that this is something that's very

519
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real and i've talked to many people that

520
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suffer with it including myself you know

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yeah no i think it's a very real thing

522
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too especially you know given the fact

523
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of some of the involvement with the

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paranormal and what people are seeing

525
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and so that's the question and i'm with

526
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you why isn't this accepted by the media

527
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as of yet although it is getting better

528
00:19:53,270 --> 00:19:50,000
a lot better why isn't this a bigger

529
00:19:55,830 --> 00:19:53,280
story you know it seems like um

530
00:19:57,750 --> 00:19:55,840
experiencers are getting some media time

531
00:20:00,710 --> 00:19:57,760
but uh there is some military

532
00:20:02,470 --> 00:20:00,720
involvement now on the you know via ufos

533
00:20:03,830 --> 00:20:02,480
and stuff with the paranormal on tv why

534
00:20:07,909 --> 00:20:03,840
do you think

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um i think it goes back to that um being

536
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maybe the media was controlled you know

537
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by a certain kind of voice where it was

538
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like the old white

539
00:20:23,909 --> 00:20:22,159
dude you know saying that oh these

540
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things don't exist you know what i mean

541
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i mean how many like like i just

542
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mentioned you know indigenous cultures

543
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we don't really have that separation

544
00:20:35,430 --> 00:20:33,679
but as soon as you get older um you know

545
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in non-indigenous cultures you have

546
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people saying that that doesn't exist

547
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stance positive ufos don't exist bigfoot

548
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don't exist so you have that constant um

549
00:20:46,870 --> 00:20:45,679
you know pressure to not believe in the

550
00:20:48,870 --> 00:20:46,880
paranormal

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00:20:51,110 --> 00:20:48,880
even as you're experiencing it you know

552
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i i grew up in that kind of world where

553
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you know i was running you know i i

554
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would get you know pushed or something i

555
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would get shoved and i would go and tell

556
00:21:00,870 --> 00:20:59,200
or i would be tormented at night and i

557
00:21:03,110 --> 00:21:00,880
would go and tell running you know to my

558
00:21:04,950 --> 00:21:03,120
parents bedroom you know my dad and

559
00:21:06,149 --> 00:21:04,960
stepmom is something just pushed me

560
00:21:07,990 --> 00:21:06,159
something oh come on you're just

561
00:21:11,990 --> 00:21:08,000
imagining it you know that doesn't exist

562
00:21:13,830 --> 00:21:12,000
it isn't real so it's it's a

563
00:21:16,310 --> 00:21:13,840
horrible place to be in you know because

564
00:21:18,149 --> 00:21:16,320
you feel so unsupported because you know

565
00:21:20,149 --> 00:21:18,159
you're going through something but the

566
00:21:22,549 --> 00:21:20,159
people that should believe you don't

567
00:21:23,510 --> 00:21:22,559
and i think that's just been kind of the

568
00:21:25,830 --> 00:21:23,520
voice

569
00:21:28,549 --> 00:21:25,840
you know all over um

570
00:21:29,430 --> 00:21:28,559
the media all these years and i think

571
00:21:32,070 --> 00:21:29,440
too

572
00:21:34,070 --> 00:21:32,080
um the military has had a big

573
00:21:36,630 --> 00:21:34,080
involvement i think it really did start

574
00:21:38,789 --> 00:21:36,640
with roswell and you know those sort of

575
00:21:40,549 --> 00:21:38,799
incidences where you know nope nope not

576
00:21:42,549 --> 00:21:40,559
not a ufo it's a weather balloon weather

577
00:21:44,390 --> 00:21:42,559
balloon and

578
00:21:46,710 --> 00:21:44,400
you know i think

579
00:21:48,310 --> 00:21:46,720
maybe you know

580
00:21:49,350 --> 00:21:48,320
you know maybe the military has had a

581
00:21:51,510 --> 00:21:49,360
kind of a

582
00:21:52,630 --> 00:21:51,520
sort of a hold on the media and what

583
00:21:54,149 --> 00:21:52,640
they

584
00:21:55,590 --> 00:21:54,159
put out too i mean i've heard a lot of

585
00:21:56,789 --> 00:21:55,600
stories where

586
00:21:59,270 --> 00:21:56,799
um

587
00:22:01,190 --> 00:21:59,280
you know a group of people saw ufo and

588
00:22:02,710 --> 00:22:01,200
they went to you know the news the local

589
00:22:04,630 --> 00:22:02,720
news station they told them and they

590
00:22:06,549 --> 00:22:04,640
went to report it and

591
00:22:08,390 --> 00:22:06,559
they got a call from the military saying

592
00:22:09,750 --> 00:22:08,400
you're not going to report this

593
00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:09,760
you know what i mean you're not going to

594
00:22:15,270 --> 00:22:11,520
report it and i've heard so many of

595
00:22:16,870 --> 00:22:15,280
those stories um so i think a lot of i

596
00:22:20,149 --> 00:22:16,880
think uh maybe maybe some is the

597
00:22:22,390 --> 00:22:20,159
military but i think a lot of people um

598
00:22:24,830 --> 00:22:22,400
grew up being scared of being laughed at

599
00:22:28,149 --> 00:22:24,840
ostracized you know

600
00:22:29,909 --> 00:22:28,159
um it's just it just was a thing and it

601
00:22:31,029 --> 00:22:29,919
just kind of permeated

602
00:22:33,190 --> 00:22:31,039
and

603
00:22:35,590 --> 00:22:33,200
you know thank god for all the brave

604
00:22:39,430 --> 00:22:35,600
souls of because in my day in the late

605
00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:39,440
70s early 80s we didn't have a whole lot

606
00:22:41,669 --> 00:22:40,720
about this you know what i mean there

607
00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:41,679
wasn't

608
00:22:45,430 --> 00:22:43,840
websites and books and you know all that

609
00:22:47,909 --> 00:22:45,440
kind of stuff i mean the only sort of

610
00:22:50,230 --> 00:22:47,919
paranormal pioneers i had in my day

611
00:22:52,549 --> 00:22:50,240
really that i knew about were um ed

612
00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:52,559
larry warren and they were laughed at

613
00:22:55,190 --> 00:22:53,280
for

614
00:22:56,950 --> 00:22:55,200
decades you know they were they were

615
00:22:59,270 --> 00:22:56,960
considered coops and you know

616
00:23:01,350 --> 00:22:59,280
opportunists and scam artists and all

617
00:23:03,669 --> 00:23:01,360
kinds of stuff so um

618
00:23:05,590 --> 00:23:03,679
you know you had those few braveholds

619
00:23:08,230 --> 00:23:05,600
that would come out and say yeah i have

620
00:23:11,430 --> 00:23:08,240
been abducted or yeah i have a ghost in

621
00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:11,440
my house um and even then people were

622
00:23:15,270 --> 00:23:12,480
just so

623
00:23:17,350 --> 00:23:15,280
quick to pooh-pooh it and it was really

624
00:23:19,510 --> 00:23:17,360
unfortunate because i think more people

625
00:23:20,710 --> 00:23:19,520
should have and could have come forward

626
00:23:22,230 --> 00:23:20,720
and we could have started this

627
00:23:24,070 --> 00:23:22,240
conversation

628
00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:24,080
sooner we sort of we could have been

629
00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:27,360
normalizing paranormal encounters and

630
00:23:31,750 --> 00:23:30,240
the discussion around them sooner um and

631
00:23:34,390 --> 00:23:31,760
you know who knows who that could have

632
00:23:36,070 --> 00:23:34,400
helped you know i mean i i know of a lot

633
00:23:37,510 --> 00:23:36,080
of stories where people had paranormal

634
00:23:39,270 --> 00:23:37,520
encounters and just took it to their

635
00:23:41,430 --> 00:23:39,280
grave they wouldn't talk about it and it

636
00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:41,440
tormented them they again paranormal

637
00:23:46,070 --> 00:23:44,400
ptsd they they had nightmares every

638
00:23:48,630 --> 00:23:46,080
night about these things that they saw

639
00:23:50,230 --> 00:23:48,640
or felt or what something was following

640
00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:50,240
them you know and they were scared to

641
00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:52,240
say anything because they were told that

642
00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:54,640
what was going on was not real or they

643
00:23:57,590 --> 00:23:55,919
tried to tell someone and someone

644
00:24:00,470 --> 00:23:57,600
laughed at him so they clammed up and

645
00:24:02,470 --> 00:24:00,480
never talked again um

646
00:24:04,230 --> 00:24:02,480
that's really upsetting to me i don't

647
00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:04,240
like it when people are not allowed to

648
00:24:08,310 --> 00:24:06,320
at least talk you know they're not

649
00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:08,320
allowed to at least verbalize

650
00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:10,960
look i just saw something i've been

651
00:24:15,590 --> 00:24:12,960
going through something you know talking

652
00:24:18,310 --> 00:24:15,600
sometimes really does break

653
00:24:19,990 --> 00:24:18,320
the spell um or it really does make you

654
00:24:21,750 --> 00:24:20,000
just feel better i you know i don't know

655
00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:21,760
how many people out there if you have

656
00:24:24,789 --> 00:24:23,279
something bothering you sometimes just

657
00:24:25,830 --> 00:24:24,799
verbalizing it

658
00:24:27,430 --> 00:24:25,840
um

659
00:24:29,190 --> 00:24:27,440
it helps it makes you feel better it

660
00:24:33,029 --> 00:24:29,200
makes you feel you know more at peace

661
00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:33,039
and so i think um the silence the

662
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:35,200
silencing i think a lot of that has to

663
00:24:39,510 --> 00:24:36,480
do with

664
00:24:41,669 --> 00:24:39,520
you know i know a lot of um

665
00:24:43,990 --> 00:24:41,679
uh heard a lot of stories of scientists

666
00:24:47,269 --> 00:24:44,000
who wanted to start studying the

667
00:24:49,510 --> 00:24:47,279
paranormal but their peers or you know

668
00:24:51,269 --> 00:24:49,520
the people above them or whoever you

669
00:24:52,710 --> 00:24:51,279
know were people at the university were

670
00:24:54,789 --> 00:24:52,720
like absolutely not you're not going to

671
00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:54,799
study the paranormal which is ridiculous

672
00:24:59,110 --> 00:24:57,200
um people in the military i mean how

673
00:25:01,269 --> 00:24:59,120
many people are just now like robert

674
00:25:02,390 --> 00:25:01,279
solis and and all the people that he

675
00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:02,400
talks to

676
00:25:07,269 --> 00:25:05,039
these people are now coming forward who

677
00:25:09,909 --> 00:25:07,279
have been in the service for years and

678
00:25:10,950 --> 00:25:09,919
years and they're now being able to you

679
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:10,960
know

680
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:14,640
seen um

681
00:25:18,230 --> 00:25:16,320
so i think there's a lot of factors

682
00:25:19,269 --> 00:25:18,240
involved when it comes to the silencing

683
00:25:21,190 --> 00:25:19,279
of

684
00:25:23,430 --> 00:25:21,200
telling or talking about the paranormal

685
00:25:25,909 --> 00:25:23,440
it's um

686
00:25:27,669 --> 00:25:25,919
it's terrible i i really it angers me

687
00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:27,679
because it's not fair

688
00:25:32,149 --> 00:25:30,640
and a lot of people um it's doing a huge

689
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:32,159
disservice really because there's a lot

690
00:25:35,110 --> 00:25:33,919
of people out there that could find a

691
00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:35,120
lot of peace

692
00:25:38,870 --> 00:25:36,640
or could find

693
00:25:40,870 --> 00:25:38,880
you know the meaning to their life or

694
00:25:43,110 --> 00:25:40,880
you know whatever something

695
00:25:45,909 --> 00:25:43,120
you know what i mean like it's it's not

696
00:25:47,909 --> 00:25:45,919
it's it's um the the silencing of

697
00:25:50,950 --> 00:25:47,919
paranormal encounters and the giggle

698
00:25:53,990 --> 00:25:50,960
factor yes thankfully the now nowadays

699
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:54,000
it's it's a lot less but it's not

700
00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:56,400
where i would like it to be and i know

701
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:57,600
that for you know other people's

702
00:26:01,430 --> 00:25:59,760
standpoint as well um

703
00:26:03,350 --> 00:26:01,440
the whole conversation

704
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:03,360
uh just needs to be normalized and i'm

705
00:26:08,950 --> 00:26:06,480
hoping um that you know in the next five

706
00:26:10,789 --> 00:26:08,960
ten years that we will get to the point

707
00:26:11,830 --> 00:26:10,799
where we you know there's no more

708
00:26:13,669 --> 00:26:11,840
giggling

709
00:26:15,990 --> 00:26:13,679
we can just openly say yeah i've got to

710
00:26:17,669 --> 00:26:16,000
go to my house or yeah i got a demon in

711
00:26:19,590 --> 00:26:17,679
my house or yeah

712
00:26:21,510 --> 00:26:19,600
i saw a ufo and and there's no giggle

713
00:26:22,950 --> 00:26:21,520
factor there's just like okay really wow

714
00:26:25,029 --> 00:26:22,960
cool and

715
00:26:27,029 --> 00:26:25,039
you know it becomes commonplace that's

716
00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:27,039
that's what i hope and i hope that um

717
00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:29,760
more people get help for paranormal ptsd

718
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:30,960
because i know a lot of people that

719
00:26:33,669 --> 00:26:32,159
suffer with it

720
00:26:36,789 --> 00:26:33,679
that um

721
00:26:39,029 --> 00:26:36,799
are trying to find help and they they

722
00:26:41,830 --> 00:26:39,039
can't other than paranormal like

723
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:41,840
investigative groups they don't really

724
00:26:46,950 --> 00:26:44,240
have a lot of uh help out there you know

725
00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:46,960
just full-on therapy counseling

726
00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:48,240
um

727
00:26:51,510 --> 00:26:49,919
i know a lot of people that that you

728
00:26:53,590 --> 00:26:51,520
know had a paranormal encounter and

729
00:26:56,230 --> 00:26:53,600
tried to talk to a regular therapist

730
00:26:57,909 --> 00:26:56,240
about it and they're just um

731
00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:57,919
pretty much told them they were crazy

732
00:27:02,390 --> 00:27:00,000
told them that's that's a hallucination

733
00:27:03,590 --> 00:27:02,400
so um

734
00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:03,600
i'm hoping

735
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:05,120
like you and like everyone else out

736
00:27:09,669 --> 00:27:06,559
there that you know this sort of thing

737
00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:09,679
becomes uh normalized really

738
00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:12,400
absolutely and you know they're i agree

739
00:27:19,269 --> 00:27:16,559
100 there are a lot there should be more

740
00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:19,279
more care in the field and

741
00:27:22,389 --> 00:27:20,799
not as quick

742
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:22,399
judgment but

743
00:27:27,269 --> 00:27:24,960
specialists and analysts from as we

744
00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:27,279
mentioned some government agencies

745
00:27:32,310 --> 00:27:30,080
have delved into locations

746
00:27:35,110 --> 00:27:32,320
uh of high strangeness whether it's

747
00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:35,120
areas like dulce new mexico or purported

748
00:27:40,149 --> 00:27:38,159
ufo areas or underground-based locations

749
00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:40,159
which are usually in proximity of native

750
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:42,960
american lands why do you think the

751
00:27:48,310 --> 00:27:45,760
government is getting so involved in the

752
00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:48,320
study of some of these locations

753
00:27:52,950 --> 00:27:50,080
and what do you think the connection

754
00:27:55,029 --> 00:27:52,960
between the uh unidentified aerial

755
00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:55,039
phenomena and native american lore might

756
00:28:01,669 --> 00:27:59,510
well um

757
00:28:03,430 --> 00:28:01,679
geez i don't know there's that that's

758
00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:03,440
like 10 different conversations right

759
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:05,360
there um

760
00:28:09,190 --> 00:28:06,880
you know i mean when it comes to the

761
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:09,200
government i mean i've had relatives

762
00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:11,600
that work for the government and

763
00:28:14,549 --> 00:28:13,200
they always told me never trust the

764
00:28:17,190 --> 00:28:14,559
american government they're always up to

765
00:28:18,870 --> 00:28:17,200
no good yeah i was i was raised like you

766
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:18,880
know hearing that so

767
00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:21,600
um you know you know as well as me you

768
00:28:26,070 --> 00:28:23,600
know these sorts of things

769
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:26,080
are usually black budget type

770
00:28:29,510 --> 00:28:27,840
you know projects

771
00:28:31,350 --> 00:28:29,520
that even the president doesn't even

772
00:28:33,269 --> 00:28:31,360
know about you know what i mean and you

773
00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:33,279
know how many times did you know jimmy

774
00:28:37,029 --> 00:28:35,600
carter and bill clinton kind of inquire

775
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:37,039
about these kinds of things and be like

776
00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:38,640
what is going on

777
00:28:43,510 --> 00:28:40,640
and we're told you know don't don't

778
00:28:45,029 --> 00:28:43,520
think about it don't worry about it um

779
00:28:47,669 --> 00:28:45,039
we're told only maybe what they wanted

780
00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:47,679
to hear or something you know um i think

781
00:28:51,750 --> 00:28:50,240
there's different branches within the

782
00:28:53,110 --> 00:28:51,760
government that could be doing stuff

783
00:28:55,110 --> 00:28:53,120
like this and

784
00:28:57,029 --> 00:28:55,120
um

785
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:57,039
why they're being allowed to investigate

786
00:28:59,669 --> 00:28:58,080
i don't know i think it's kind of

787
00:29:01,830 --> 00:28:59,679
strange because you know you would think

788
00:29:03,110 --> 00:29:01,840
that whatever black budget something or

789
00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:03,120
other would say

790
00:29:05,830 --> 00:29:04,880
don't don't be concerned with this i i

791
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:05,840
don't know

792
00:29:09,909 --> 00:29:06,720
um

793
00:29:12,149 --> 00:29:09,919
as far as the the uaps and the sort of

794
00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:12,159
high strangeness and near you know

795
00:29:16,230 --> 00:29:14,640
reservations and areas where

796
00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:16,240
natives

797
00:29:20,230 --> 00:29:18,480
either lived or have lived or are living

798
00:29:23,110 --> 00:29:20,240
um that is something that i would like

799
00:29:24,789 --> 00:29:23,120
to know as well um

800
00:29:27,990 --> 00:29:24,799
i mean there are stories

801
00:29:32,230 --> 00:29:28,000
going back you know hundreds of years

802
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:32,240
of uh indigenous people in america um

803
00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:34,080
and even south america central america

804
00:29:39,029 --> 00:29:37,120
uh talking about third people

805
00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:39,039
and talking about our brothers from the

806
00:29:43,510 --> 00:29:41,360
side and and stuff like that so you know

807
00:29:45,590 --> 00:29:43,520
what what makes us think that you know

808
00:29:48,070 --> 00:29:45,600
these it you know

809
00:29:49,669 --> 00:29:48,080
aliens whatever you want to call them

810
00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:49,679
what makes us think that they they

811
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:51,760
haven't been visiting earth all this

812
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:54,960
time you know what i mean so it it just

813
00:29:58,230 --> 00:29:56,640
you know i i believe i believe they've

814
00:29:59,510 --> 00:29:58,240
been visiting this whole time if there

815
00:30:01,510 --> 00:29:59,520
is such a thing

816
00:30:03,990 --> 00:30:01,520
why would they have you know

817
00:30:05,990 --> 00:30:04,000
not visited until just the 40s that's

818
00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:06,000
ridiculous you know i mean i'm very

819
00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:08,640
interested in the encounters like before

820
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:11,120
roswell before all of that you know

821
00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:13,200
where we had um

822
00:30:16,870 --> 00:30:15,120
excuse me

823
00:30:19,350 --> 00:30:16,880
we had um

824
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:19,360
encounters back in the 1800s and early

825
00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:22,080
1900s of

826
00:30:26,149 --> 00:30:23,760
for like a better word spaceships you

827
00:30:27,430 --> 00:30:26,159
know and and people seeing things

828
00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:27,440
um

829
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:30,000
and and you know that i love reading old

830
00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:32,000
like really old newspapers where they

831
00:30:35,909 --> 00:30:33,840
have those clippings where it shows you

832
00:30:39,029 --> 00:30:35,919
know yeah so-and-so was on his farm and

833
00:30:42,549 --> 00:30:39,039
then he saw this flying ship the flying

834
00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:42,559
craft or something you know um so

835
00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:44,000
i think

836
00:30:47,669 --> 00:30:46,000
i i i just find it really interesting

837
00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:47,679
because like again going back to the

838
00:30:54,470 --> 00:30:48,880
indigenous

839
00:30:55,990 --> 00:30:54,480
you know

840
00:30:57,909 --> 00:30:56,000
i was talking to someone the other day

841
00:31:00,149 --> 00:30:57,919
about bigfoot and fast watching stuff

842
00:31:02,310 --> 00:31:00,159
and i said look i said indigenous people

843
00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:02,320
i've been telling non-native

844
00:31:07,590 --> 00:31:04,559
about sasquatch and their encounters

845
00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:07,600
with basque watch for hundreds of years

846
00:31:12,149 --> 00:31:08,640
literally

847
00:31:14,549 --> 00:31:12,159
and non-natives are just now starting to

848
00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:14,559
come around and go oh there's something

849
00:31:18,389 --> 00:31:17,120
just bigfoots and we're like yeah

850
00:31:20,950 --> 00:31:18,399
it's been like that you know because

851
00:31:23,029 --> 00:31:20,960
every tribe has a different experience

852
00:31:25,590 --> 00:31:23,039
with um

853
00:31:29,110 --> 00:31:25,600
uh you know sasquatch you know and the

854
00:31:31,909 --> 00:31:29,120
twilia people up in the north uh west um

855
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:31,919
they there's you know their their idea

856
00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:34,960
their impression of bigfoot is uh uh i

857
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:36,960
forgot what they call it but it's it's

858
00:31:41,350 --> 00:31:39,120
an evil spirit and they you know they're

859
00:31:43,669 --> 00:31:41,360
warned not to go into certain parts of

860
00:31:45,509 --> 00:31:43,679
um the forts right because it'll it'll

861
00:31:46,710 --> 00:31:45,519
kidnap you or kill you um they have a

862
00:31:49,669 --> 00:31:46,720
lot of missing

863
00:31:52,149 --> 00:31:49,679
person cases where they they attribute

864
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:52,159
these missing people to this particular

865
00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:54,240
bigfoot type monster

866
00:31:59,590 --> 00:31:57,840
and then cherokee culture um

867
00:32:01,029 --> 00:31:59,600
from what i've been told and what i've

868
00:32:02,789 --> 00:32:01,039
grown up with

869
00:32:05,269 --> 00:32:02,799
is that um

870
00:32:06,630 --> 00:32:05,279
bigfoots are kind of like this sort of

871
00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:06,640
respected

872
00:32:11,430 --> 00:32:08,640
brother you know

873
00:32:13,350 --> 00:32:11,440
he's we kind of view him from afar

874
00:32:15,590 --> 00:32:13,360
and as long as we keep our distance you

875
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:15,600
know he's cool we're cool you know that

876
00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:17,279
kind of thing and we're always sort of

877
00:32:21,430 --> 00:32:19,120
it's more of a

878
00:32:23,269 --> 00:32:21,440
benevolent sort of relationship it's not

879
00:32:24,389 --> 00:32:23,279
the sort of evil spirit that you know is

880
00:32:26,789 --> 00:32:24,399
trying to get us

881
00:32:29,430 --> 00:32:26,799
we respect their state they respect ours

882
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:29,440
and that's just kind of how it goes um

883
00:32:33,509 --> 00:32:30,559
so every

884
00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:33,519
every tribe has their own uh ex you know

885
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:36,080
bigfoot type creature that um they have

886
00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:38,000
their own experience whether good or bad

887
00:32:42,149 --> 00:32:40,080
but you know native people again have

888
00:32:44,549 --> 00:32:42,159
been telling non-natives like yeah this

889
00:32:46,630 --> 00:32:44,559
stuff happens like a lot and

890
00:32:48,470 --> 00:32:46,640
um you know we've been left at by

891
00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:48,480
non-natives for years and then all of a

892
00:32:52,950 --> 00:32:51,120
sudden now the non-natives are like oh

893
00:32:55,350 --> 00:32:52,960
there is such a thing you know and again

894
00:32:56,870 --> 00:32:55,360
it's that catching up of you know the

895
00:32:58,630 --> 00:32:56,880
non-native culture so i've been told

896
00:33:00,549 --> 00:32:58,640
these things don't exist

897
00:33:02,230 --> 00:33:00,559
now they're starting to see oh yeah they

898
00:33:05,430 --> 00:33:02,240
do exist and so they're they're catching

899
00:33:07,590 --> 00:33:05,440
up to you know those things so

900
00:33:09,909 --> 00:33:07,600
absolutely and i think you're you're

901
00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:09,919
absolutely right that these this

902
00:33:15,110 --> 00:33:13,200
tricksters and other paranormal entities

903
00:33:16,950 --> 00:33:15,120
with trickster-like traits you mentioned

904
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:16,960
the sasquatch according to some tribes

905
00:33:21,509 --> 00:33:19,200
are often in at least at least in

906
00:33:24,389 --> 00:33:21,519
cultural and family lore of certain

907
00:33:26,549 --> 00:33:24,399
cultures they are deeply rooted why do

908
00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:26,559
you think that even though just about

909
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:28,320
every culture has a form or definition

910
00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:30,480
of magic some of them have just been cut

911
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:32,320
off from their past and they just don't

912
00:33:37,029 --> 00:33:33,519
believe

913
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:37,039
in a lot of the paranormal which uh even

914
00:33:46,630 --> 00:33:41,190
um

915
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:46,640
a lot of tribes you know some tribes

916
00:33:50,549 --> 00:33:49,370
have been very lucky to be a bit more um

917
00:33:54,149 --> 00:33:50,559
[Music]

918
00:33:56,630 --> 00:33:54,159
they isolated and not as colonized

919
00:33:58,470 --> 00:33:56,640
whereas other tribes have been

920
00:34:00,389 --> 00:33:58,480
completely obliterated they have had to

921
00:34:02,070 --> 00:34:00,399
assimilate into other tribes you know

922
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:02,080
there's there's languages that are no

923
00:34:08,710 --> 00:34:05,120
longer that no longer exist because of

924
00:34:11,190 --> 00:34:08,720
colonization so a lot of um tribes have

925
00:34:12,869 --> 00:34:11,200
been colonized to the point where they

926
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:12,879
you know accepted

927
00:34:17,109 --> 00:34:15,119
white ways like culture

928
00:34:18,550 --> 00:34:17,119
and religion they became very

929
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:18,560
christianized you know a lot of my

930
00:34:23,109 --> 00:34:20,399
family were very christianized and they

931
00:34:24,629 --> 00:34:23,119
were very um

932
00:34:26,389 --> 00:34:24,639
you know a little too accepting of white

933
00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:26,399
ways because they were promised hey look

934
00:34:30,389 --> 00:34:28,240
exhaust our ways and then you can keep

935
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:30,399
your land you can stay on your land

936
00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:31,919
and that's what they did and of course

937
00:34:36,230 --> 00:34:34,560
they were backstabbed so um

938
00:34:36,950 --> 00:34:36,240
you know later on they lost their land

939
00:34:39,109 --> 00:34:36,960
but

940
00:34:41,669 --> 00:34:39,119
you know

941
00:34:42,869 --> 00:34:41,679
i think what it is is that a lot of

942
00:34:45,430 --> 00:34:42,879
um

943
00:34:48,790 --> 00:34:45,440
there there are some

944
00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:48,800
there are some tribes who just i think

945
00:34:54,470 --> 00:34:49,599
were

946
00:34:55,669 --> 00:34:54,480
whitewashed

947
00:34:57,990 --> 00:34:55,679
and

948
00:34:59,829 --> 00:34:58,000
they were more just accepting white ways

949
00:35:01,670 --> 00:34:59,839
and that sort of their their old way of

950
00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:01,680
life the traditional ways

951
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:03,760
those will fade away with every

952
00:35:07,990 --> 00:35:06,160
generation and you have to be careful

953
00:35:10,150 --> 00:35:08,000
with elders because

954
00:35:12,790 --> 00:35:10,160
when an elder passes away

955
00:35:14,710 --> 00:35:12,800
there goes language there goes formulas

956
00:35:16,870 --> 00:35:14,720
there goes stories there's there goes

957
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:16,880
the you know our creation stories myth

958
00:35:18,870 --> 00:35:18,000
and war

959
00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:18,880
um

960
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:20,640
you know a whole library

961
00:35:23,910 --> 00:35:23,040
you know disappears when an elder passed

962
00:35:26,470 --> 00:35:23,920
away

963
00:35:29,109 --> 00:35:26,480
and so um you know a lot of tribes their

964
00:35:31,910 --> 00:35:29,119
elders died from disease and they were

965
00:35:33,510 --> 00:35:31,920
left with just not even knowing

966
00:35:37,270 --> 00:35:33,520
about their

967
00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:37,280
traditional ways and so they assimilated

968
00:35:39,829 --> 00:35:38,800
into other uh

969
00:35:41,910 --> 00:35:39,839
tribes

970
00:35:44,870 --> 00:35:41,920
um it's just how it is it's the

971
00:35:46,950 --> 00:35:44,880
unfortunate you know the

972
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:46,960
the unfortunate you know result of lots

973
00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:48,960
of colonization

974
00:35:53,589 --> 00:35:51,200
absolutely it is and you know we've seen

975
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:53,599
it in so many places and

976
00:35:57,349 --> 00:35:55,680
it does seem like the united states has

977
00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:57,359
these strange portal areas a lot of

978
00:36:00,790 --> 00:35:59,119
times as we mentioned in proximity of

979
00:36:02,710 --> 00:36:00,800
native american land

980
00:36:04,310 --> 00:36:02,720
which sometimes have other strange

981
00:36:06,390 --> 00:36:04,320
factures such as

982
00:36:08,470 --> 00:36:06,400
shapeshifter lore cattle mutilations and

983
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:08,480
military involvement sometimes or at

984
00:36:13,829 --> 00:36:10,800
least government what are your thoughts

985
00:36:15,670 --> 00:36:13,839
on the the government coming in and

986
00:36:17,510 --> 00:36:15,680
starting to study

987
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:17,520
you know the paranormal in some of these

988
00:36:23,109 --> 00:36:21,190
um

989
00:36:24,310 --> 00:36:23,119
i think this uh

990
00:36:26,310 --> 00:36:24,320
i mean you and i just discussed

991
00:36:27,510 --> 00:36:26,320
skinwalker ranch and whatnot i think

992
00:36:29,829 --> 00:36:27,520
it's you know

993
00:36:30,790 --> 00:36:29,839
whatever they're hoping to gain i mean

994
00:36:33,109 --> 00:36:30,800
you know

995
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:33,119
i always told a friend who frequents the

996
00:36:37,750 --> 00:36:35,760
um the skinwalker ranch i always told

997
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:37,760
him i said i feel

998
00:36:41,750 --> 00:36:38,880
that in

999
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:41,760
a few years time possibly

1000
00:36:46,630 --> 00:36:44,400
some faction of the us government is

1001
00:36:49,109 --> 00:36:46,640
going to maybe take over that land

1002
00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:49,119
and just kind of kick off whoever is is

1003
00:36:52,710 --> 00:36:50,720
on there whether it's brandon people or

1004
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:52,720
whoever whoever whoever has that land at

1005
00:36:56,630 --> 00:36:54,000
that point it's just going to be like

1006
00:36:58,310 --> 00:36:56,640
okay it's our land now go and they're

1007
00:37:00,150 --> 00:36:58,320
going to um

1008
00:37:02,950 --> 00:37:00,160
keep anyone off that land and they're

1009
00:37:05,109 --> 00:37:02,960
you know i mean i've seen it um

1010
00:37:07,349 --> 00:37:05,119
in sedona and other places there were

1011
00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:07,359
you know um

1012
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:10,800
high strangeness in a particular uh area

1013
00:37:14,069 --> 00:37:12,240
and all of a sudden there's this

1014
00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:14,079
military presence where you know and

1015
00:37:19,349 --> 00:37:16,160
there was like you know

1016
00:37:20,870 --> 00:37:19,359
campers and hikers were frequenting this

1017
00:37:23,349 --> 00:37:20,880
land because they were able to you know

1018
00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:23,359
it was it was a parkland and then all of

1019
00:37:26,790 --> 00:37:24,960
a sudden all this strangeness started

1020
00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:26,800
happening and before you know it they've

1021
00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:28,720
got you know

1022
00:37:32,550 --> 00:37:30,720
rifles in their faces by these you know

1023
00:37:33,910 --> 00:37:32,560
camouflaged dressed dudes and they're

1024
00:37:36,790 --> 00:37:33,920
like no you're not allowed to be on this

1025
00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:36,800
land and it kicked them off so um

1026
00:37:41,670 --> 00:37:40,000
there's all kinds of stuff going on um

1027
00:37:44,150 --> 00:37:41,680
i don't know what they're hoping to gain

1028
00:37:46,310 --> 00:37:44,160
are they hoping to make contact with

1029
00:37:49,510 --> 00:37:46,320
aliens i mean what what is it i mean

1030
00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:49,520
what is going on is there such a thing

1031
00:37:54,069 --> 00:37:52,400
the the dolce bass do they have contact

1032
00:37:55,349 --> 00:37:54,079
with aliens already and they're hoping

1033
00:37:57,910 --> 00:37:55,359
to make other contact i mean what the

1034
00:38:00,550 --> 00:37:57,920
heck is going on i really don't know um

1035
00:38:02,870 --> 00:38:00,560
we can sit here and you know throw ideas

1036
00:38:06,870 --> 00:38:02,880
at the wall all day long but um

1037
00:38:09,030 --> 00:38:06,880
yeah i mean the government coming in and

1038
00:38:10,870 --> 00:38:09,040
studying this again what are they

1039
00:38:12,550 --> 00:38:10,880
looking for are they are they hoping to

1040
00:38:14,230 --> 00:38:12,560
find some sort of

1041
00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:14,240
um

1042
00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:16,160
you know it's always self-serving that

1043
00:38:19,829 --> 00:38:18,000
that's my that's my opinion at the end

1044
00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:19,839
of the day it's self-serving what are

1045
00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:21,520
they looking for are they looking for

1046
00:38:26,470 --> 00:38:23,920
something to help with military

1047
00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:26,480
uh you know weaponry uh you know are

1048
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:28,640
they trying to find a way to cloak

1049
00:38:34,950 --> 00:38:31,440
themselves it's always having to do with

1050
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:34,960
wars and weapons and you know being able

1051
00:38:37,589 --> 00:38:36,000
to have

1052
00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:37,599
being able to kind of be one up on the

1053
00:38:42,390 --> 00:38:40,720
enemy in case one arises and

1054
00:38:44,230 --> 00:38:42,400
you know i don't know it just it just

1055
00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:44,240
seems like it's very self-serving if the

1056
00:38:47,109 --> 00:38:46,240
government's coming in and studying and

1057
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:47,119
um

1058
00:38:50,230 --> 00:38:49,280
you know inquiring and then confiscating

1059
00:38:55,670 --> 00:38:50,240
land

1060
00:38:57,030 --> 00:38:55,680
and hoping to you know do whatever i you

1061
00:38:58,630 --> 00:38:57,040
know again

1062
00:39:01,270 --> 00:38:58,640
i always was told don't trust the

1063
00:39:03,670 --> 00:39:01,280
american government and i don't um

1064
00:39:05,990 --> 00:39:03,680
for many reasons but um but yeah i i

1065
00:39:07,589 --> 00:39:06,000
think at the end of the day it's just i

1066
00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:07,599
i just have a pessimistic view i think

1067
00:39:10,870 --> 00:39:09,200
it's very self-serving i just think

1068
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:10,880
you're up to no good

1069
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:13,200
absolutely and you know it's so wild

1070
00:39:16,870 --> 00:39:15,280
doing a podcast from a human perspective

1071
00:39:19,109 --> 00:39:16,880
you've had some amazing guests on your

1072
00:39:21,270 --> 00:39:19,119
podcast and i know you've had some of

1073
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:21,280
the same guests i have and sometimes

1074
00:39:25,990 --> 00:39:23,520
after hearing their stories

1075
00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:26,000
life changes a little or is impacted

1076
00:39:29,589 --> 00:39:27,680
something um can you tell us something

1077
00:39:31,349 --> 00:39:29,599
you can't forget that you've heard any

1078
00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:31,359
theories or stories from guests other

1079
00:39:35,670 --> 00:39:33,760
than myself of course of things that

1080
00:39:38,310 --> 00:39:35,680
have impacted you whether it's military

1081
00:39:41,190 --> 00:39:38,320
involvement places like roswell or

1082
00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:41,200
or some of these other areas

1083
00:39:45,510 --> 00:39:43,599
um yeah i mean

1084
00:39:48,069 --> 00:39:45,520
first military involvement i mean let's

1085
00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:48,079
go to terry lovelace and his his

1086
00:39:52,230 --> 00:39:50,000
incident at devil's den

1087
00:39:54,790 --> 00:39:52,240
um the things that stayed with me are

1088
00:39:56,790 --> 00:39:54,800
when you know he and his friend toby

1089
00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:56,800
were looking you know they had just got

1090
00:40:01,349 --> 00:39:58,800
they just had their encounter

1091
00:40:02,630 --> 00:40:01,359
and they're looking out the tent and

1092
00:40:05,030 --> 00:40:02,640
terry goes what are those little kids

1093
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:05,040
doing out there and toby is literally

1094
00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:07,440
crying saying dude those aren't those

1095
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:08,960
aren't little kids those aren't little

1096
00:40:11,829 --> 00:40:10,880
kids and of course terry looks out and

1097
00:40:13,510 --> 00:40:11,839
sees

1098
00:40:15,829 --> 00:40:13,520
these little grays milling about you

1099
00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:15,839
know looking around um

1100
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:18,240
and then as soon as they get back

1101
00:40:23,270 --> 00:40:21,520
to the base um the

1102
00:40:25,910 --> 00:40:23,280
the really awful things that they were

1103
00:40:28,230 --> 00:40:25,920
subjected to you know true serum and

1104
00:40:30,790 --> 00:40:28,240
hypnosis sessions against their will

1105
00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:30,800
and you know all of this really awful

1106
00:40:35,510 --> 00:40:32,960
stuff you know just because the military

1107
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:35,520
thinks they can't and they know they can

1108
00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:36,480
um

1109
00:40:44,309 --> 00:40:41,920
you know was uh working with bob hopkins

1110
00:40:46,069 --> 00:40:44,319
as you know um

1111
00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:46,079
uh she

1112
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:48,480
told me she you know it's no secret that

1113
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:49,680
she was

1114
00:40:55,349 --> 00:40:52,480
tormented and her phone's capped and her

1115
00:40:57,430 --> 00:40:55,359
house buzzed by black helicopters uh for

1116
00:40:58,710 --> 00:40:57,440
at least two years or more

1117
00:41:03,589 --> 00:40:58,720
um

1118
00:41:05,109 --> 00:41:03,599
howe i just heard you know she was

1119
00:41:07,270 --> 00:41:05,119
talking about how her phone's been

1120
00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:07,280
tapped for years yeah so

1121
00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:10,240
i mean you know it's they're they're i i

1122
00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:12,640
don't know what the paranoia paranoia is

1123
00:41:15,910 --> 00:41:14,240
because especially in this day because

1124
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:15,920
we're all

1125
00:41:18,550 --> 00:41:17,200
we're i mean

1126
00:41:20,950 --> 00:41:18,560
they think we're gonna sell secrets or

1127
00:41:23,270 --> 00:41:20,960
something i mean what the hell um

1128
00:41:25,510 --> 00:41:23,280
but it's just it's just interesting how

1129
00:41:27,349 --> 00:41:25,520
the government is very very interested

1130
00:41:28,710 --> 00:41:27,359
in these encounters and the people that

1131
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:28,720
have them and

1132
00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:31,920
um we'll stop at nothing to intimidate

1133
00:41:36,309 --> 00:41:33,599
and um

1134
00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:36,319
and silence these people

1135
00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:38,880
that's true and i think you you've

1136
00:41:42,790 --> 00:41:40,800
obviously spoken with a lot of folks who

1137
00:41:44,950 --> 00:41:42,800
have had these i think you mentioned

1138
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:44,960
some strange almost men in black

1139
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:47,280
experiences kind of going along those

1140
00:41:52,069 --> 00:41:50,160
lines what are your thoughts of area 51

1141
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:52,079
what are your opinions of area 51 and do

1142
00:41:58,790 --> 00:41:54,720
you think it's a real thing

1143
00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:58,800
yeah i mean anytime the government

1144
00:42:04,069 --> 00:42:00,960
is keeping a secret my dad always told

1145
00:42:06,150 --> 00:42:04,079
me this he said anytime you

1146
00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:06,160
teach something a secret it makes people

1147
00:42:10,710 --> 00:42:07,839
want to know about it more

1148
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:10,720
and they would not be

1149
00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:12,240
i mean you you know you i'm sure you've

1150
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:14,560
been in that area where you it's not

1151
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:16,880
just going up to the gate and looking in

1152
00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:18,720
you can't even go within a certain mile

1153
00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:20,480
radius of the place

1154
00:42:26,309 --> 00:42:23,760
um because of the uh armed guards that

1155
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:26,319
are you know positioned in certain areas

1156
00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:30,480
and to to warn or shoot to kill um so

1157
00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:32,880
why if there's nothing to hide why all

1158
00:42:37,510 --> 00:42:35,680
the secrecy why all of the you know the

1159
00:42:39,510 --> 00:42:37,520
armed guards and the

1160
00:42:41,430 --> 00:42:39,520
you know the standoffs and all these

1161
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:41,440
things you know that that these guards

1162
00:42:44,550 --> 00:42:43,680
have with people uh why

1163
00:42:47,109 --> 00:42:44,560
why

1164
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:47,119
if there's nothing to hide so there's

1165
00:42:52,390 --> 00:42:49,680
something going on what exactly i don't

1166
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:52,400
know i can't say i've never seen it but

1167
00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:55,040
bob lazar seems to be pretty um

1168
00:43:01,349 --> 00:42:59,440
trustworthy i i believe him and um

1169
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:01,359
i don't know i just i you know it's

1170
00:43:05,109 --> 00:43:04,000
always that thing if there's nothing to

1171
00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:05,119
hide

1172
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:06,880
why are you hiding

1173
00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:08,160
you know what i mean if there's no

1174
00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:10,079
secrets then why are you being so

1175
00:43:13,990 --> 00:43:11,599
secretive

1176
00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:14,000
what's the deal with that it's just to

1177
00:43:17,510 --> 00:43:15,839
me it's just um

1178
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:17,520
it's just a lot of

1179
00:43:22,470 --> 00:43:20,880
you know suspiciousness i mean again why

1180
00:43:23,910 --> 00:43:22,480
why is there why are you hiding if

1181
00:43:25,510 --> 00:43:23,920
there's nothing to hide so it's just i

1182
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:25,520
think that their actions speak for

1183
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:26,640
themselves

1184
00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:28,560
if there's you know people

1185
00:43:32,069 --> 00:43:30,480
um you know guarding the place within

1186
00:43:34,069 --> 00:43:32,079
your certain mile radius you can't even

1187
00:43:35,589 --> 00:43:34,079
get up to the gate i mean what does that

1188
00:43:36,790 --> 00:43:35,599
tell you they're they're they're trying

1189
00:43:38,069 --> 00:43:36,800
to protect something they're trying to

1190
00:43:39,750 --> 00:43:38,079
keep something secret they're trying to

1191
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:39,760
hide something they don't want you to

1192
00:43:41,670 --> 00:43:40,480
know

1193
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:41,680
and they're going to do everything they

1194
00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:42,960
can to keep you out i mean how many

1195
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:44,480
people maybe

1196
00:43:47,670 --> 00:43:45,680
have they

1197
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:47,680
shot on site or something you know what

1198
00:43:51,190 --> 00:43:49,520
i mean and you never you never know

1199
00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:51,200
about those things i hate to sound like

1200
00:43:54,550 --> 00:43:52,720
a conspiracy there is something like a

1201
00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:54,560
fringy kind of person but i mean that

1202
00:43:59,109 --> 00:43:56,800
you know i just don't tr again i don't

1203
00:44:03,349 --> 00:43:59,119
trust the government and anything they

1204
00:44:06,309 --> 00:44:03,359
say because there's always so much um

1205
00:44:08,230 --> 00:44:06,319
um secrecy around everything they do and

1206
00:44:09,910 --> 00:44:08,240
they're again self-serving they're

1207
00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:09,920
they're just there's

1208
00:44:13,829 --> 00:44:11,680
there's just so much going on there you

1209
00:44:17,190 --> 00:44:13,839
know i mean if the the tic tac video

1210
00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:17,200
hadn't been leaked would we even have

1211
00:44:22,069 --> 00:44:18,160
you know

1212
00:44:23,670 --> 00:44:22,079
what i mean yeah

1213
00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:23,680
and that's the thing you know it's just

1214
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:26,560
so wild and you've

1215
00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:29,200
spoken with folks and done some research

1216
00:44:33,270 --> 00:44:31,280
i'm sure into roswell

1217
00:44:35,589 --> 00:44:33,280
and that's a perfect example what what

1218
00:44:37,349 --> 00:44:35,599
are your thoughts of what may or may not

1219
00:44:39,670 --> 00:44:37,359
have taken place back then i'm not an

1220
00:44:41,589 --> 00:44:39,680
expert on the subject i probably just

1221
00:44:43,829 --> 00:44:41,599
looked at it from a research perspective

1222
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:43,839
but i don't know i'm trying to form an

1223
00:44:49,030 --> 00:44:46,880
opinion from a research perspective and

1224
00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:49,040
it does seem like the involvement the

1225
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:50,880
government involvement back then was

1226
00:44:55,829 --> 00:44:54,240
very shifty back and forth and a lot of

1227
00:44:58,710 --> 00:44:55,839
disinformation what what are your

1228
00:45:00,309 --> 00:44:58,720
thoughts of the whole roswell incident

1229
00:45:02,309 --> 00:45:00,319
well i think this was one of the first

1230
00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:02,319
encounters that the government really or

1231
00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:05,040
the military really did have like they

1232
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:06,880
this is like the first big thing

1233
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:08,640
and they they had no dress rehearsal so

1234
00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:10,079
they were just kind of like oh shoot

1235
00:45:14,470 --> 00:45:11,760
what do we do what do we do with this

1236
00:45:16,069 --> 00:45:14,480
and so they were kind of um at a place

1237
00:45:18,550 --> 00:45:16,079
where they were like should we tell the

1238
00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:18,560
public or should we not tell the public

1239
00:45:21,750 --> 00:45:20,240
and i think this goes back to and i've

1240
00:45:24,230 --> 00:45:21,760
heard a lot of people say this abortion

1241
00:45:26,309 --> 00:45:24,240
wells word of the world

1242
00:45:28,069 --> 00:45:26,319
you know afraid of mass hysteria afraid

1243
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:28,079
of chaos afraid of people you know

1244
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:29,920
committing suicide and you know losing

1245
00:45:33,990 --> 00:45:31,440
their minds and just you know running

1246
00:45:35,349 --> 00:45:34,000
running amok in the streets and you know

1247
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:35,359
um

1248
00:45:37,750 --> 00:45:36,960
how many uh

1249
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:37,760
the

1250
00:45:41,589 --> 00:45:40,800
uh 50s b movie ufo movies have we seen

1251
00:45:43,990 --> 00:45:41,599
where

1252
00:45:45,990 --> 00:45:44,000
uh the the ufo you know these you see

1253
00:45:47,670 --> 00:45:46,000
the saucers and people are running to

1254
00:45:48,790 --> 00:45:47,680
and fro and they're screaming and you

1255
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:48,800
know they're running and the cars are

1256
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:50,000
running into each other you know what i

1257
00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:51,520
mean so that i think that shows you

1258
00:45:54,870 --> 00:45:53,440
right there where people's minds were

1259
00:45:56,309 --> 00:45:54,880
back then they were you know or the

1260
00:45:58,550 --> 00:45:56,319
military at least they were just scared

1261
00:46:01,270 --> 00:45:58,560
like look people are going to lose their

1262
00:46:02,950 --> 00:46:01,280
crap we cannot tell them that there's

1263
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:02,960
aliens out there because

1264
00:46:07,270 --> 00:46:04,400
you know there's going to be massive

1265
00:46:08,950 --> 00:46:07,280
areas so um i think roswell was kind of

1266
00:46:11,910 --> 00:46:08,960
like the first big thing for the

1267
00:46:13,349 --> 00:46:11,920
military to go okay this from now on

1268
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:13,359
it's going to be weather balloons and

1269
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:14,640
it's going to be

1270
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:16,480
ball lightning and it's that that's our

1271
00:46:19,829 --> 00:46:18,480
story we're going to stick to this and

1272
00:46:21,990 --> 00:46:19,839
um

1273
00:46:26,470 --> 00:46:22,000
to me when you're researching stuff like

1274
00:46:28,150 --> 00:46:26,480
this i always go to the the not for okay

1275
00:46:29,910 --> 00:46:28,160
yeah we know what the military said we

1276
00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:29,920
know that they sat there with the

1277
00:46:33,430 --> 00:46:32,160
weather balloon and they took pictures

1278
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:33,440
and

1279
00:46:37,829 --> 00:46:35,680
but talk to the people

1280
00:46:39,030 --> 00:46:37,839
the the the other eyewitnesses and this

1281
00:46:40,870 --> 00:46:39,040
is where where i go if you're going to

1282
00:46:42,470 --> 00:46:40,880
research something talk to the people

1283
00:46:44,950 --> 00:46:42,480
that actually saw

1284
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:44,960
the dead alien bodies or saw the actual

1285
00:46:50,150 --> 00:46:48,000
craft or um i forgot her name but it was

1286
00:46:52,230 --> 00:46:50,160
the little girl she was uh she was very

1287
00:46:54,150 --> 00:46:52,240
young at that time they had a piece of

1288
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:54,160
the metal from one of the crafts i think

1289
00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:56,960
and she was playing with it in the the

1290
00:47:01,829 --> 00:46:59,040
sheriff's office so talk to people like

1291
00:47:03,349 --> 00:47:01,839
that who have nothing to hide who are

1292
00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:03,359
you know aren't the military aren't the

1293
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:05,040
government and they they know what they

1294
00:47:08,790 --> 00:47:06,800
saw there you know that they were right

1295
00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:08,800
there on the ground they saw it and you

1296
00:47:12,790 --> 00:47:10,720
listen to those people listen you know

1297
00:47:14,550 --> 00:47:12,800
it's like basic psychology says listen

1298
00:47:16,230 --> 00:47:14,560
to the people that have nothing to hide

1299
00:47:17,589 --> 00:47:16,240
you know they're they're going to share

1300
00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:17,599
their stories and be like yeah this is

1301
00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:19,440
what i saw here you go

1302
00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:20,880
and you know they're not going to sit

1303
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:22,240
there and lie to you why would they do

1304
00:47:26,549 --> 00:47:24,400
that so i don't again don't trust the

1305
00:47:28,870 --> 00:47:26,559
government don't trust their stories

1306
00:47:30,069 --> 00:47:28,880
listen to the people that actually have

1307
00:47:33,109 --> 00:47:30,079
nothing to hide they were right there

1308
00:47:34,870 --> 00:47:33,119
they saw everything and uh i i go off of

1309
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:34,880
that you know when it comes to things

1310
00:47:37,109 --> 00:47:35,760
like this

1311
00:47:38,950 --> 00:47:37,119
absolutely

1312
00:47:40,549 --> 00:47:38,960
and you know kind of getting off the

1313
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:40,559
government thing for a bit even though i

1314
00:47:44,790 --> 00:47:42,640
love the mib thing this is sort of along

1315
00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:44,800
those lines what are your thoughts of

1316
00:47:48,870 --> 00:47:46,720
some of these other entities that we

1317
00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:48,880
find that are quite popular paranormal

1318
00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:51,200
entities such as the hatman have you

1319
00:47:55,750 --> 00:47:52,800
come across that in your research and

1320
00:47:57,510 --> 00:47:55,760
what are your thoughts on that

1321
00:48:01,109 --> 00:47:57,520
um you know

1322
00:48:02,950 --> 00:48:01,119
this is the thing i i again i'm i'm i

1323
00:48:04,870 --> 00:48:02,960
don't really know i i don't really know

1324
00:48:07,510 --> 00:48:04,880
about this is it demonic

1325
00:48:09,270 --> 00:48:07,520
is it another kind of entity you know i

1326
00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:09,280
like i said i grew up in a

1327
00:48:13,190 --> 00:48:11,440
you know later on in sort of a more

1328
00:48:17,030 --> 00:48:13,200
christianity household where everything

1329
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:17,040
was god or the devil that's it and if

1330
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:18,480
there was something evil then that

1331
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:21,599
that's it was a demon um but

1332
00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:24,000
there are i think other entities out

1333
00:48:28,309 --> 00:48:26,000
there you know what is slenderman is it

1334
00:48:31,030 --> 00:48:28,319
a tulpa you know what i mean is it is it

1335
00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:31,040
something that people have imagined um

1336
00:48:36,630 --> 00:48:32,880
is it a demon just taking a different

1337
00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:36,640
form is it um you know an entity that's

1338
00:48:41,589 --> 00:48:39,760
just unique unto itself um

1339
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:41,599
these sorts of things are really hard to

1340
00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:44,880
to explain because again these you know

1341
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:47,280
the sort of interdimensional world that

1342
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:48,480
we live in

1343
00:48:51,190 --> 00:48:49,920
you know we have to start kind of

1344
00:48:53,589 --> 00:48:51,200
telling ourselves okay we're not the

1345
00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:53,599
only ones here you know and i was

1346
00:48:57,670 --> 00:48:55,359
talking to a friend the other day about

1347
00:49:00,150 --> 00:48:57,680
you know how like neurodivergent people

1348
00:49:02,950 --> 00:49:00,160
are kind of wired to see through

1349
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:02,960
these sort of veils and you know more

1350
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:06,000
than most people um and so

1351
00:49:10,630 --> 00:49:07,920
you know i i don't know i mean are these

1352
00:49:11,910 --> 00:49:10,640
entities again are they just unique

1353
00:49:14,069 --> 00:49:11,920
entities

1354
00:49:15,750 --> 00:49:14,079
we just i i think we're going to be

1355
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:15,760
talking about this for many years to

1356
00:49:19,589 --> 00:49:17,760
come because i don't think we're really

1357
00:49:21,030 --> 00:49:19,599
gonna ever understand the paranormal

1358
00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:21,040
like we want

1359
00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:22,800
um you know look at look at our

1360
00:49:26,069 --> 00:49:24,720
ancestors look at the ancient celtic

1361
00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:26,079
people you know what i mean they were

1362
00:49:28,950 --> 00:49:27,520
dealing with the paranormal and they

1363
00:49:30,950 --> 00:49:28,960
were trying to figure it out and put

1364
00:49:32,549 --> 00:49:30,960
names to what they saw

1365
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:32,559
and we're doing the same thing in this

1366
00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:34,319
age you know what i mean nothing's

1367
00:49:39,349 --> 00:49:36,400
really changed you know we're human

1368
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:39,359
beings living this experience and when

1369
00:49:43,589 --> 00:49:41,520
something comes through those dimensions

1370
00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:43,599
or through that thin veil we're sitting

1371
00:49:46,790 --> 00:49:45,200
there like what you know and we're

1372
00:49:48,549 --> 00:49:46,800
trying to come up with a name to this

1373
00:49:50,150 --> 00:49:48,559
thing and i think we're just no

1374
00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:50,160
different than our ancestors we're going

1375
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:51,440
to be forever

1376
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:53,280
wondering questioning

1377
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:55,520
talking you know milling it knowing you

1378
00:49:59,270 --> 00:49:56,960
know mulling it over

1379
00:50:01,270 --> 00:49:59,280
you know trying to figure it out again i

1380
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:01,280
just don't know what these things are i

1381
00:50:06,549 --> 00:50:04,240
mean they have a an evil presence to

1382
00:50:09,750 --> 00:50:06,559
them a lot of them and someone would

1383
00:50:11,349 --> 00:50:09,760
immediately go up demon you know um

1384
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:11,359
and i'm trying to kind of break myself

1385
00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:12,960
out of that you know what if it isn't a

1386
00:50:17,030 --> 00:50:14,800
demon what if there are just evil

1387
00:50:19,589 --> 00:50:17,040
entities like the one that tormented me

1388
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:19,599
all those years um it didn't feel

1389
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:26,150
demons have a certain energy signature

1390
00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:29,119
um i've i've seen i've been like you

1391
00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:31,440
know i've had a person who uh called my

1392
00:50:34,870 --> 00:50:33,119
mother and i used to do these sorts of

1393
00:50:35,750 --> 00:50:34,880
things uh cleansings and things like

1394
00:50:37,349 --> 00:50:35,760
that

1395
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:37,359
and

1396
00:50:40,870 --> 00:50:39,119
you know you could feel the evil from

1397
00:50:42,390 --> 00:50:40,880
the street you know if it's in a house

1398
00:50:43,829 --> 00:50:42,400
or building you can steal it from the

1399
00:50:46,309 --> 00:50:43,839
street you know it's there and you know

1400
00:50:49,109 --> 00:50:46,319
it's a demon it's just unmistakable but

1401
00:50:51,670 --> 00:50:49,119
some of these entities aren't demons and

1402
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:51,680
they are so very evil um they just have

1403
00:50:54,710 --> 00:50:53,280
a different energy signature so that's

1404
00:50:57,190 --> 00:50:54,720
how i i kind of know that they're

1405
00:50:59,750 --> 00:50:57,200
different but um

1406
00:51:01,910 --> 00:50:59,760
again what are they exactly i don't know

1407
00:51:03,990 --> 00:51:01,920
what spawns them what what you know

1408
00:51:06,950 --> 00:51:04,000
where do they come from or were they

1409
00:51:09,430 --> 00:51:06,960
summoned you know or did they just exist

1410
00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:09,440
are they just you know are they there

1411
00:51:14,150 --> 00:51:11,680
are evil you know beings just evil

1412
00:51:16,230 --> 00:51:14,160
beings i don't know it's one of those

1413
00:51:18,309 --> 00:51:16,240
like mysteries that the paranormal you

1414
00:51:19,510 --> 00:51:18,319
know paranormal folks like you and me

1415
00:51:20,950 --> 00:51:19,520
and everyone else we're going to be

1416
00:51:22,230 --> 00:51:20,960
discussing this for years and years to

1417
00:51:24,309 --> 00:51:22,240
come i don't think we're ever really

1418
00:51:26,069 --> 00:51:24,319
going to figure it out i agree and i

1419
00:51:27,430 --> 00:51:26,079
think that yeah these paranormal

1420
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:27,440
entities are called

1421
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:28,800
tons of different things and the

1422
00:51:33,430 --> 00:51:31,200
semantics is where everybody's getting

1423
00:51:36,150 --> 00:51:33,440
messed up and mixed up and

1424
00:51:38,230 --> 00:51:36,160
now you you've had demonologists on your

1425
00:51:40,150 --> 00:51:38,240
show and what kind of a job is that can

1426
00:51:41,910 --> 00:51:40,160
you tell us a little bit about um any

1427
00:51:44,549 --> 00:51:41,920
experiences you've had talking to

1428
00:51:46,069 --> 00:51:44,559
demonologists and specialists that are

1429
00:51:48,069 --> 00:51:46,079
in that uh

1430
00:51:49,990 --> 00:51:48,079
area

1431
00:51:51,750 --> 00:51:50,000
um i don't know a whole lot about it

1432
00:51:53,829 --> 00:51:51,760
even though i was in the christianity

1433
00:51:57,349 --> 00:51:53,839
sort of you know fundamentalist

1434
00:51:59,109 --> 00:51:57,359
christian you know world for a while um

1435
00:52:01,190 --> 00:51:59,119
to for what i've seen you know the the

1436
00:52:03,030 --> 00:52:01,200
demonologists um usually have a

1437
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:03,040
religious background they they usually

1438
00:52:08,390 --> 00:52:04,800
were studying theology they were going

1439
00:52:10,710 --> 00:52:08,400
to seminary or something and um

1440
00:52:14,390 --> 00:52:10,720
they're usually you know christians or

1441
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:14,400
catholics um and they they tend to

1442
00:52:17,030 --> 00:52:15,599
um

1443
00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:17,040
real i mean

1444
00:52:20,710 --> 00:52:18,720
apparently there's different ranks of

1445
00:52:23,349 --> 00:52:20,720
demons there's different categories and

1446
00:52:24,549 --> 00:52:23,359
there you know they all have names um

1447
00:52:27,270 --> 00:52:24,559
and you got to think about it you know

1448
00:52:29,190 --> 00:52:27,280
too i mean if demons um you know like in

1449
00:52:31,270 --> 00:52:29,200
the bible if they're truly fallen angels

1450
00:52:33,430 --> 00:52:31,280
they did have names they did have rings

1451
00:52:35,109 --> 00:52:33,440
because that's what angels have so

1452
00:52:36,870 --> 00:52:35,119
they're you know they have the same

1453
00:52:39,270 --> 00:52:36,880
abilities and the same

1454
00:52:41,109 --> 00:52:39,280
power for the most part as angels they

1455
00:52:42,870 --> 00:52:41,119
can shape shift they can do different

1456
00:52:44,790 --> 00:52:42,880
things you know i i grew up reading a

1457
00:52:47,190 --> 00:52:44,800
lot of you know a lot of good stories

1458
00:52:49,030 --> 00:52:47,200
about angels and how you know these

1459
00:52:50,630 --> 00:52:49,040
people had me like from a lot of miracle

1460
00:52:51,990 --> 00:52:50,640
stories about you know people who were

1461
00:52:54,549 --> 00:52:52,000
saying you know driving along and their

1462
00:52:56,069 --> 00:52:54,559
car broke down and they uh all of a

1463
00:52:57,750 --> 00:52:56,079
sudden this person came out of nowhere

1464
00:52:59,190 --> 00:52:57,760
and fixed the car and then they turn

1465
00:53:00,870 --> 00:52:59,200
around and that person is like totally

1466
00:53:03,270 --> 00:53:00,880
gone there's no way they could have

1467
00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:03,280
walked away so i mean stuff like that

1468
00:53:06,069 --> 00:53:04,559
you know these sort of miracle

1469
00:53:07,990 --> 00:53:06,079
encounters but then you

1470
00:53:09,510 --> 00:53:08,000
you read other stories where all of a

1471
00:53:13,589 --> 00:53:09,520
sudden a person turns around and there's

1472
00:53:15,910 --> 00:53:13,599
a you know a creepy dude who you know is

1473
00:53:17,670 --> 00:53:15,920
clearly not human you know what i mean

1474
00:53:19,109 --> 00:53:17,680
but he looks human but he's not human

1475
00:53:20,870 --> 00:53:19,119
and

1476
00:53:22,710 --> 00:53:20,880
so i think that it goes both ways i

1477
00:53:24,549 --> 00:53:22,720
think you can have good experiences with

1478
00:53:26,470 --> 00:53:24,559
angels and bad experiences with venus

1479
00:53:28,470 --> 00:53:26,480
because they have the same kind of power

1480
00:53:30,630 --> 00:53:28,480
but as far as demonologists i don't know

1481
00:53:33,190 --> 00:53:30,640
much about that and i don't really want

1482
00:53:34,790 --> 00:53:33,200
to get into it because right to me a

1483
00:53:37,349 --> 00:53:34,800
demon is a demon as a demon and the

1484
00:53:39,430 --> 00:53:37,359
demon and i've had plenty of experiences

1485
00:53:41,109 --> 00:53:39,440
with them i've had experiences with

1486
00:53:43,190 --> 00:53:41,119
really tough ones that were hard to get

1487
00:53:45,349 --> 00:53:43,200
rid of that were hard to send away they

1488
00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:45,359
were either in a person or they were in

1489
00:53:51,510 --> 00:53:49,200
a home or or on a actual like an actual

1490
00:53:53,349 --> 00:53:51,520
plot of land um

1491
00:53:55,190 --> 00:53:53,359
or um

1492
00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:55,200
just sort of like i had an encounter one

1493
00:53:59,349 --> 00:53:57,359
time it was very silly but it was it was

1494
00:54:00,630 --> 00:53:59,359
it was a demonic thing but it was i

1495
00:54:02,309 --> 00:54:00,640
don't know it just acted like i didn't

1496
00:54:04,710 --> 00:54:02,319
really know what it was doing

1497
00:54:06,710 --> 00:54:04,720
and one night i was uh i had gotten

1498
00:54:08,549 --> 00:54:06,720
pretty spiritually strong at this point

1499
00:54:11,030 --> 00:54:08,559
and i was you know not afraid of much

1500
00:54:14,150 --> 00:54:11,040
and i was just about to get into bed

1501
00:54:15,990 --> 00:54:14,160
and i saw this entity that looked

1502
00:54:17,589 --> 00:54:16,000
it was either a it was either three

1503
00:54:19,349 --> 00:54:17,599
demons or it was a three-headed demon it

1504
00:54:21,030 --> 00:54:19,359
was something but it had three heads and

1505
00:54:23,349 --> 00:54:21,040
i could barely kind of see it but i

1506
00:54:24,870 --> 00:54:23,359
could see it just enough and it just

1507
00:54:26,549 --> 00:54:24,880
kind of came through and it was trying

1508
00:54:27,910 --> 00:54:26,559
to scare me and it was like ooh we're

1509
00:54:29,990 --> 00:54:27,920
going to stay here and watch you all

1510
00:54:31,190 --> 00:54:30,000
night sleeping and isn't that is that

1511
00:54:33,430 --> 00:54:31,200
scary

1512
00:54:34,630 --> 00:54:33,440
and i was so unfazed at this point

1513
00:54:36,710 --> 00:54:34,640
because i've seen so much and been

1514
00:54:38,870 --> 00:54:36,720
through so much i was just like whatever

1515
00:54:41,190 --> 00:54:38,880
and i got into bed and i pulled the

1516
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:41,200
covers up and i you know up to my neck

1517
00:54:45,750 --> 00:54:42,000
and i

1518
00:54:47,430 --> 00:54:45,760
but i knew

1519
00:54:49,030 --> 00:54:47,440
those demons were going to go downstairs

1520
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:49,040
because i saw them they were like

1521
00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:51,119
completely disappointed i saw them go

1522
00:54:55,430 --> 00:54:53,920
hard and they went downstairs and i knew

1523
00:54:57,430 --> 00:54:55,440
they were going to try to bother my mom

1524
00:54:58,950 --> 00:54:57,440
and of course my mom being one of the

1525
00:55:00,549 --> 00:54:58,960
most spiritually formidable people i've

1526
00:55:02,309 --> 00:55:00,559
ever met she was not going to put up

1527
00:55:04,870 --> 00:55:02,319
with it either so sure enough in the

1528
00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:04,880
morning i walked downstairs and my mom

1529
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:06,400
um

1530
00:55:08,950 --> 00:55:07,680
she was just like you're not gonna

1531
00:55:11,589 --> 00:55:08,960
believe what happened last night and i

1532
00:55:13,750 --> 00:55:11,599
said oh i bet i will and so she told me

1533
00:55:15,510 --> 00:55:13,760
she said there was a three-headed demon

1534
00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:15,520
or maybe a three-headed or maybe it was

1535
00:55:19,270 --> 00:55:17,280
three of them i don't know but they came

1536
00:55:21,030 --> 00:55:19,280
from upstairs and they came down here

1537
00:55:22,710 --> 00:55:21,040
trying to bother me and i i totally get

1538
00:55:25,589 --> 00:55:22,720
lost and i started laughing at her and

1539
00:55:27,270 --> 00:55:25,599
she was completely confused and i said i

1540
00:55:29,109 --> 00:55:27,280
had the same encounter i said they were

1541
00:55:30,630 --> 00:55:29,119
upstairs bothering me and i told them to

1542
00:55:32,549 --> 00:55:30,640
get lost and i came down here and i knew

1543
00:55:33,910 --> 00:55:32,559
they would bother you um and you would

1544
00:55:34,950 --> 00:55:33,920
tell them to get lost in it i've been i

1545
00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:34,960
was going to have the story in the

1546
00:55:38,870 --> 00:55:36,240
morning i just knew i saw the whole

1547
00:55:40,390 --> 00:55:38,880
thing play out so um again these were

1548
00:55:42,309 --> 00:55:40,400
demons but they clearly they were

1549
00:55:43,910 --> 00:55:42,319
newbies of some kind they just they

1550
00:55:45,349 --> 00:55:43,920
weren't scary at all it was just this

1551
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:45,359
ridiculous thing and it was just like

1552
00:55:50,710 --> 00:55:48,240
they tried and we sent them away so i've

1553
00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:50,720
dealt with all kinds of demons i guess

1554
00:55:54,789 --> 00:55:52,720
from different ranks or what have you

1555
00:55:57,109 --> 00:55:54,799
but again i don't really understand the

1556
00:55:59,349 --> 00:55:57,119
whole demonologist world i just know

1557
00:56:01,430 --> 00:55:59,359
that a lot of the ones that i've met are

1558
00:56:03,109 --> 00:56:01,440
all um they all have like a religious

1559
00:56:04,710 --> 00:56:03,119
background

1560
00:56:07,030 --> 00:56:04,720
yeah and it's pretty cool that you were

1561
00:56:10,069 --> 00:56:07,040
able to expel them and i'll do all that

1562
00:56:11,990 --> 00:56:10,079
you know um but i agree these have

1563
00:56:14,470 --> 00:56:12,000
hi there's hierarchies of these things

1564
00:56:16,950 --> 00:56:14,480
and the people who study them have

1565
00:56:20,069 --> 00:56:16,960
delineated the hierarchies and i mean

1566
00:56:21,829 --> 00:56:20,079
this goes way back throughout history

1567
00:56:24,309 --> 00:56:21,839
and there is uh

1568
00:56:25,829 --> 00:56:24,319
i i i am fascinated by the fact that

1569
00:56:28,309 --> 00:56:25,839
they all have names as well i think

1570
00:56:28,950 --> 00:56:28,319
that's just absolutely crazy

1571
00:56:31,030 --> 00:56:28,960
and

1572
00:56:33,589 --> 00:56:31,040
kind of speaking about the demonic stuff

1573
00:56:35,829 --> 00:56:33,599
and some more recent topics what are

1574
00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:35,839
your thoughts about this recent i'm on

1575
00:56:39,990 --> 00:56:38,079
the fence about this recent travis scott

1576
00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:40,000
concert do you think this was some real

1577
00:56:45,270 --> 00:56:43,040
ritualistic symbology or what is your

1578
00:56:47,510 --> 00:56:45,280
opinion of that

1579
00:56:49,750 --> 00:56:47,520
um i don't i haven't really read much

1580
00:56:52,230 --> 00:56:49,760
into it i've only you know i'm just kind

1581
00:56:54,150 --> 00:56:52,240
of you know reading some of this stuff

1582
00:56:55,670 --> 00:56:54,160
and just heartbroken for the victims i

1583
00:56:57,510 --> 00:56:55,680
mean my god

1584
00:56:59,829 --> 00:56:57,520
it's just it was i think a lot of it was

1585
00:57:02,470 --> 00:56:59,839
poor planning really um and they were

1586
00:57:04,630 --> 00:57:02,480
warned and um you know again i'm not

1587
00:57:07,270 --> 00:57:04,640
really sure because i have been in a

1588
00:57:08,549 --> 00:57:07,280
situation several situations where i

1589
00:57:10,710 --> 00:57:08,559
have seen

1590
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:10,720
say there was a waiting room and at the

1591
00:57:16,230 --> 00:57:12,720
dmv or something like that you know

1592
00:57:18,549 --> 00:57:16,240
where uh somebody who had clearly had

1593
00:57:20,069 --> 00:57:18,559
something on him

1594
00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:20,079
some kind of demon some kind of

1595
00:57:24,870 --> 00:57:22,160
something some kind of nasty spirit of

1596
00:57:26,549 --> 00:57:24,880
some kind came into the room and

1597
00:57:28,549 --> 00:57:26,559
whatever was on them jumped on other

1598
00:57:29,589 --> 00:57:28,559
people and kind of had an effect on

1599
00:57:31,829 --> 00:57:29,599
everybody

1600
00:57:34,630 --> 00:57:31,839
so i believe that something like that

1601
00:57:37,430 --> 00:57:34,640
could happen by seeing how one person

1602
00:57:39,670 --> 00:57:37,440
sort of creepy demonic you know presence

1603
00:57:41,190 --> 00:57:39,680
whatever's on them can jump off of them

1604
00:57:43,990 --> 00:57:41,200
and jump onto other people and affect

1605
00:57:46,309 --> 00:57:44,000
them and get them angry or uh agitated

1606
00:57:48,630 --> 00:57:46,319
or aggressive so maybe there was

1607
00:57:49,589 --> 00:57:48,640
something like that involved but um i i

1608
00:57:50,870 --> 00:57:49,599
need to talk to you more about that

1609
00:57:53,589 --> 00:57:50,880
because i actually haven't heard that

1610
00:57:55,349 --> 00:57:53,599
theory um i just heard some from like

1611
00:57:57,190 --> 00:57:55,359
the you know fairly really unfortunate

1612
00:57:58,710 --> 00:57:57,200
victim standpoint a lot of the people

1613
00:58:00,470 --> 00:57:58,720
were trying to

1614
00:58:02,549 --> 00:58:00,480
flag for help and they weren't getting

1615
00:58:04,950 --> 00:58:02,559
it so um

1616
00:58:06,950 --> 00:58:04,960
right and i mean this goes every culture

1617
00:58:10,150 --> 00:58:06,960
has some sort of

1618
00:58:12,390 --> 00:58:10,160
experience or lore going back to the

1619
00:58:15,990 --> 00:58:12,400
the romans the pharaohs the canaanites i

1620
00:58:17,990 --> 00:58:16,000
mean every every tribe in north america

1621
00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:18,000
and like you said central america and

1622
00:58:21,349 --> 00:58:19,440
most cultures

1623
00:58:24,230 --> 00:58:21,359
even the norse cultures and european

1624
00:58:26,870 --> 00:58:24,240
cultures it seems like everybody has

1625
00:58:28,630 --> 00:58:26,880
at least some experience or varying

1626
00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:28,640
opinions of what some of these entities

1627
00:58:31,430 --> 00:58:30,240
might be in

1628
00:58:33,670 --> 00:58:31,440
before we go

1629
00:58:34,630 --> 00:58:33,680
and wrap up here let me make sure and

1630
00:58:36,150 --> 00:58:34,640
have you

1631
00:58:38,150 --> 00:58:36,160
tell our listeners where they can keep

1632
00:58:40,870 --> 00:58:38,160
up with your podcast what you have going

1633
00:58:43,430 --> 00:58:40,880
on etc

1634
00:58:45,349 --> 00:58:43,440
um right now i just have the podcast on

1635
00:58:47,670 --> 00:58:45,359
youtube we're gonna put it on spotify

1636
00:58:49,349 --> 00:58:47,680
and whatnot at some point but um it's

1637
00:58:50,390 --> 00:58:49,359
just the boogeyman chronicles you just

1638
00:58:53,990 --> 00:58:50,400
type it in

1639
00:58:56,390 --> 00:58:54,000
can find it there

1640
00:58:58,309 --> 00:58:56,400
i wrote a book um called the boogeyman

1641
00:59:00,230 --> 00:58:58,319
chronicles i

1642
00:59:01,190 --> 00:59:00,240
am not officially allowed to promote it

1643
00:59:04,549 --> 00:59:01,200
until

1644
00:59:07,430 --> 00:59:04,559
uh january 1st but um but yeah i have a

1645
00:59:10,390 --> 00:59:07,440
book out detailing all of my encounters

1646
00:59:13,829 --> 00:59:10,400
um and that's pretty much it it's just

1647
00:59:15,190 --> 00:59:13,839
the the youtube page so that's awesome

1648
00:59:16,309 --> 00:59:15,200
awesome stuff

1649
00:59:18,069 --> 00:59:16,319
and

1650
00:59:19,990 --> 00:59:18,079
i can't thank you enough for coming on

1651
00:59:21,670 --> 00:59:20,000
the show i know you've been

1652
00:59:23,430 --> 00:59:21,680
busy and having a lot going on and i

1653
00:59:25,430 --> 00:59:23,440
just can't i can say that it's made my

1654
00:59:27,190 --> 00:59:25,440
week to talk to you so i'm very excited

1655
00:59:30,390 --> 00:59:27,200
to hopefully have you back on the

1656
00:59:32,390 --> 00:59:30,400
podcast again and talk soon

1657
00:59:33,589 --> 00:59:32,400
yeah absolutely um anytime just let me

1658
00:59:36,230 --> 00:59:33,599
know

1659
00:59:39,030 --> 00:59:36,240
very very cool talking with mg stevens

1660
00:59:40,390 --> 00:59:39,040
there you have it she is definitely one

1661
00:59:42,630 --> 00:59:40,400
of the best

1662
00:59:44,150 --> 00:59:42,640
people i like talking to about these

1663
00:59:46,789 --> 00:59:44,160
sorts of things because maybe it's

1664
00:59:50,309 --> 00:59:46,799
because we have such similar experiences

1665
00:59:52,230 --> 00:59:50,319
and possibly ideas about some of

1666
00:59:53,670 --> 00:59:52,240
the paranormal activity taking place

1667
00:59:55,589 --> 00:59:53,680
whether that be an

1668
00:59:58,390 --> 00:59:55,599
unidentified aerial phenomena near

1669
01:00:00,870 --> 00:59:58,400
government facilities or native american

1670
01:00:02,789 --> 01:00:00,880
lands or whether that be just things

1671
01:00:04,950 --> 01:00:02,799
that go bump in the night the boogeyman

1672
01:00:07,349 --> 01:00:04,960
chronicles is a really cool podcast i

1673
01:00:09,990 --> 01:00:07,359
highly recommend you check it out

1674
01:00:12,150 --> 01:00:10,000
and um you know i think her

1675
01:00:13,829 --> 01:00:12,160
neurodivergent

1676
01:00:15,670 --> 01:00:13,839
and

1677
01:00:16,710 --> 01:00:15,680
ability uh

1678
01:00:18,789 --> 01:00:16,720
together

1679
01:00:21,670 --> 01:00:18,799
make it very

1680
01:00:23,190 --> 01:00:21,680
interesting and she's a very apt

1681
01:00:25,030 --> 01:00:23,200
researcher in

1682
01:00:27,910 --> 01:00:25,040
getting to the bottom of some of these

1683
01:00:29,510 --> 01:00:27,920
things and not having the fear factor

1684
01:00:30,710 --> 01:00:29,520
involved she's got the guts to call it

1685
01:00:32,870 --> 01:00:30,720
what it is and

1686
01:00:34,150 --> 01:00:32,880
say what it is she thinks is going on

1687
01:00:36,950 --> 01:00:34,160
whether that be

1688
01:00:39,670 --> 01:00:36,960
government disinformation or

1689
01:00:42,470 --> 01:00:39,680
strange entities roaming

1690
01:00:45,670 --> 01:00:42,480
badlands and paranormally active

1691
01:00:47,910 --> 01:00:45,680
landscapes near portal areas she's she's

1692
01:00:50,549 --> 01:00:47,920
she's on point and just about every

1693
01:00:51,990 --> 01:00:50,559
culture has a form of it i love her take

1694
01:00:53,750 --> 01:00:52,000
on tricksters and

1695
01:00:55,589 --> 01:00:53,760
paranormal entities

1696
01:00:58,549 --> 01:00:55,599
and um

1697
01:01:00,390 --> 01:00:58,559
the stories she told about her own

1698
01:01:01,910 --> 01:01:00,400
experiences are just mind-blowing can't

1699
01:01:04,309 --> 01:01:01,920
wait to have her back especially to

1700
01:01:06,470 --> 01:01:04,319
discuss this new book of hers coming out

1701
01:01:08,950 --> 01:01:06,480
and i think that would be a real treat

1702
01:01:11,270 --> 01:01:08,960
thank you so much for everyone listening

1703
01:01:13,349 --> 01:01:11,280
in and until next time keep your eyes to

1704
01:01:23,930 --> 01:01:13,359
the skies feet on the ground but don't

1705
01:01:35,430 --> 01:01:32,630
[Music]

1706
01:01:48,710 --> 01:01:35,440
come blast off in my time machine third

1707
01:01:51,190 --> 01:01:49,910
blast off